Just a heads up, the Spencer-Azaghal Extra keeps crashing every time I press it, I never encountered this before, so maybe it's a bug of some sort (Android btw)
I think the negative comments this game is getting are way over the top. The evolution of the the new routes are great and no one is forced to play every route in the game, as someone bothered to make a list of negatives about the game i'll make a list of positives so the dev can see that there are also people who are enjoying the new content:
- There are plenty of vanilla games in this gender, where all routes are vanilla, there's also a lot of vanilla routes in this game itself, so you shouldn't judge the game just because you're not pleased with one or two routes
- Is IS a NSFW game, so where is the problem in including fetishes in it? It makes the story more appealing for a lot of people, I guarantee that!
- I feel like a lot of negative comments I read here and in f95zone come from a very specific type of people that are very famous from their hateful comments in these forum: NTR hatters. And for that kind of people the dev shouldn't bother at all, cause they'll scream, judge and hate everything that can be considered NTR. It's really hard, almost impossible to find gay games with at least a scene of NTR in the gay niche, so I think that's really nice that this dev it's giving us a soft version of it, cause a lot of gay people like NTR and have to resort to straght ganes to find that
- The dev already said that there will be threesomes in the post game in most routes, and i guess he made it to make the full routes completly for the couple, i don't get why people complain that there's no threesome, but when the new routes show possible ways for that to happen they also complain, what do you want after all? I would like threesomes as soon as possible, but i also understand why the dev didn't want to put them in most routos, after all you're dating for like 30 days, and normally you experiment with your boyfriend much after then that in real life
- The dev puts a lot of work and shares it for free with everyone, i see people saying that they played every route and are waiting to see how the dev will mess up the next one. Well, you really like the game if you played EVERY route, after all this game is massive, every route takes a lot of time to finish, you played it all, enjoyed some or most parts and in the end you can only come with negative comments about it? Well, sorry but you're a hater.
This game is amazing and i hope it gets kinkier and kinkier, and for the ones who don't like that just play the most vanilla routes, there's something for everyone tastes, this game is for all. Enjoy it and if you want, give positive feedback, don't throw hateful comments out there just because you're anonymous, that's not nice guys!
That's what I am talking about! But in fact, there is only one negative comment here, from a dude with a newly created account and completely ridiculous, fictitious and untrue arguments, for what he was roasted. So it's not worth paying attention to him(them), even considering that he(they) generate fake upvotes under his post.
I don't know about English, but in my language, "criticism" has two meanings. One is well-reasoned criticism, which is based on facts, and the second one is not, just to hate and throw shit on the fan. So you need to pay attention to the first one, because both the problem and the method of solving it will be indicated there. And the second one needed to be ignored.
When I write my arguments, unlike that dude, I can confirm them and make sure that everyone agrees with it. Let's look at examples of what good criticism could be:
• I wrote that there is a lack of face animations or they do not correspond to the moment. You do not need to go far for example. Once you started the game, there is a scene with Coach getting into a bickering with Chester on the court. Should they have such faces? I don't think so)
• The disruption of the game experience does not come only to faces. It's worth skipping a couple of dialogues further and we have a game of tennis. The text describes the sound. And why is there no related sound, although it is present in the game files? It also can be tweaked.
• Then I wrote about logical errors. SPOILER ALERT. In the coach's route, on the second date on the 14th day, he asks to be called by his first name. But if you made the bad choices, this date only happens on day 20. Between day 15 and 19, MC begins to call the coach by his first name, although this event has not yet happened in the second case. This can also easily be fixed. THE END OF THE SPOILER.
• As long as I can remember, when you start a new game and choose the appearance of the MC, you need to mouse over the "default" and "accept" letters themselves to click on them (yes, this is a test, i know, and everything will be redone, but still). The solution I found is just to add a background for them and the problem disappears. • Somewhere before, I had a post also from the coach's route, where the text describes some actions that could be supported by animations on the screen.
That's what is a good criticism. When people can read and think, they can give useful feedback that will help improve the game or change what seems awkward.
P.S. Dyne, you don't need to rush and fix this, it can wait. Do what you are doing and don't listen to anyone. I just gave it all as an example of my point. I mark to myself everything and if I manage to collect all these moments for the entire route, I will write you and attach a working solution where it is possible
Yeah, i totally agree with you, positive feedback and criticism are welcome and needed in internet and in real life, and about the negative comments, yes, there's only one here, but there were a lot of guys in f95zone agreeing with them and talking shit, but they were really just talking shit, so the dev shouldn't bother about it at all. I even thought about answering them in the forum i my goal was to praise the dev, not fight with haters, so i decided to post my opinion here instead.
I also like to give constructive criticism to my favorite authors, but i usually do that in private messages, this was the first time i felt the need to do it in public.
For last i would like to give an idea to Dyne if he ever read this, about a new game, what about a game were you can play multiple routes at the same time? That's pretty common in straight games, and they even have the "harem" category for that, but never in gay games... i would really love to play a game where i could be a bottom with multiple partners and read a meaningful story at the same time, there are some games like that but they are sandboxes and the stories are kinda all over the place, so since you're one of the most relevant authors in the gay community would you think about that for an idea? maybe? pretty please?
Can anyone tell me where is Spencer and Coach epilogue,is this a bug or something?? And how to access Chester and Dozer epilogue? Is this still locked? 🙏😭
You caught a bug. I don't know what caused it, but at the moment there are only 2 epilogues in the game for Harold and Spencer, and a new 3rd epilogue for Chester recently has been released. It is currently available only on patron, but should appear in the itch.io version a little later. Also, the version for patreon supporters, has an exclusive bonus episode for Spencer related to Azaghal. All epilogues and episodes become available only after completion of the character's route with the best ending.
So I just started the Darius route I was wondering if there was a background image for the private room or is this like the office in Chester's route and it's not finished and instead of a rough sketch of it, the private room background is not in the game yet?
A few criticisms for anyone considering picking up this game, but especially for Dyne:
(Spoilers, obviously.)
- Extremely repetitive dialogue. I can't count the number of times a conversation was pretty much just the same few sentences slightly reworded a dozen times, and I'm not sure if it's just poor writing or purposeful to bloat the word count - Constantly teasing threesomes in nearly every route and never once following through, the only actual threesome shown is a bisexual threesome (in a gay game, though the woman is offscreen) - Constantly putting gay men in bisexual/straight situations (Initial dream sequence, Spencer's career, Chester's rape, Dozer's whole exhibitionism thing technically, Darius wanting to see Maria nude?????, the MC watching softcore bi porn with Richard, and so on, and so forth) - Forcing players to indulge every possible fetish/kink to get a good ending - Inconsistent characterization - We literally did not get to see our future father-in-law in his OWN SON'S ROUTE (Chester) and instead were only introduced in an entirely unrelated character's route - Introducing a random man in an epilogue and focusing 90% of it on him instead of the actual character the epilogue is meant to be for, for some reason. The character could've been interesting enough... had he not been shoehorned in at the literal last possible moment - To be clear, nothing wrong with polyamory and threesomes etc. The issue here is how abysmally it's handled. I'd love to see a VN with proper, well-written polyamory, but this ain't it. - Officially seemingly throwing away any semblance of a decent plot to focus on the fetish content, especially in the latest routes. Whatever my personal feelings are about the character, Richard's route is a particularly egregious example. As someone else said, "It's like watching an addict relapse. It's as if he somehow forgot the entire reason behind his divorce, which is definitely out of character since he'd repeatedly shown remorse and sworn to do better with the MC before Daniel happened. I feel like two different people are writing this route; the first one who cares more for character establishing moments and character development wrote Day 1 - 15 while the second one who only cares about fetishes is writing the days beyond that." - Again, nothing wrong with fetishes (even ones I'm not into, I guess), but seeing everything this project had thrown away to focus purely on that is just plain tragic. Could've worked better as side stories or something along those lines.
Overall, for a project going on this long, you'd think it would improve, but alas. There's still time, I guess, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
I know this comment will probably get deleted and me blocked, because I've heard Dyne doesn't take criticism well (and neither do avid fans of this project), but I felt it all needed to be said anyway. Mostly because it's infuriating seeing something that had genuine potential fall apart this badly. Plus, I feel like the people actually paying for this over on Patreon should be getting their money's worth.
Phew, that's a lot to take in there. I won't respond to each point, but there's some stuff in here that's accurate, I'm sure.
I haven't read some of the routes from start to finish in a long time, so keeping up with repeated dialog over the 200+ days can be a pain. Sometimes I play it off as the characters forgetting, but other times it's just me forgetting. I mean, I've been the only writer for over 8 years, so I'm bound to forget, hah.
Again, it's been a while since I've gone through everything, but I don't think you have to be involved in the fetish stuff to get the best endings. Some of the older choices -are- tied to it, but there should be enough leeway that you can decline it and still be fine (something for me to look into at some point!). With Richard and Dwayne, you can decline a lot of that and it has no negative impact. Dunno if you cared enough to try that though, but it's okay! There's a lot to read, so not everyone has time to try everything.
You know, it's funny, cause Chester's dad didn't even have a design till long after Chester's route was done. I never really planned to introduce him (cause most of what I write isn't planned). It just kinda happened in a spot I thought worked. I also had my qualms about the epilogue for the exact reason you mentioned, buuuut at the same time, I still felt like it highlighted Chester and how their relationship has progressed. I honestly struggled with his epilogue though, so it might be something I revisit in the future.
Not everything you have gripes about is without warrant, but I think some of it's weird. Some things I might never think about since it's not pointed out. Either way, it's feedback to think about! Things can definitely be improved still~
Well, the comment about putting gay men in straight/bisexual situations.
All of the things you listed play with the characters' story and their personalities. Spencer likes dancing/stripping, so the audience for him doesn't matter. He just gets more out of it when it's men praising/watching him. Chester's straight friends, who thought he was also straight, put him in a really bad situation. They didn't know he was gay and forced that on him. Dozer, I don't really get where you're going with his and how that plays into the straight/bi thing. Darius is just sex-positive and all for that kind of stuff. He can appreciate the male and female body. Ladies don't do it for him, but he's definitely gonna support the situation. I also don't really see the issue with watching soft-core porn, especially when it goes on to talk about the strange plot and attractive male lead. Like, why can't a gay man enjoy something like that in some way?
I am a 100% gay man here, and I, personally, don't see any problem with gay guys being in these kinds of situations. I just thought it was a weird thing to comment on. Reminded me a lot of this guy in the past that -really- hates seeing bisexual guys in the VN.
To be fair, those are all things you as the author decided to include. I can't understand it, and it seems I'm not the only one? (Regarding Dozer, I mentioned it because it's in extremely public places where they can be caught by anyone of any gender or age, which I personally find awful to do. I'm of the opinion that consent includes viewing sexual acts, not just being directly involved.)
Also, here's an example of repetitive dialogue someone sent me; I'll show more when I see them:
To me, personally, it just feels like a rather unnatural way to speak? It reminds me of the sort of dialogue you see in English textbooks, actually. (Here, at least. Our country doesn't .)
There's quite a few instances of this sort of thing.
"I am a 100% gay man here, and I, personally, don't see any problem with gay guys being in these kinds of situations." Neither do I.
@Consequencey, don't you notice how ridiculous your arguments sound? Do you need to be a bi to admit the beauty of a woman's body? Or if you're gay, you can't even look at a photo/video with a very hot pornactor in your opinion if he is there with a woman? Can you answer these questions? Is that "yes" for you? The argument about Dozer is totally ridiculous. Like if two men kiss in front of a woman, that makes them bi. Don't you understand how stupid that sounds?
And now about the repetitive dialogues. Thank god you are finally agreed with me (in a strange way, but agreed). At first, in this comment, I wanted to point out that this can happen. It was in point 2 of my questions to the game (if you even could read). However, to my great surprise, I could not find this dialog! I used notepad++ and could not find these lines, even searching for them by individual words. But let's come forward and imagine that it is really present in the game. Even if you are unfamiliar with the code of the game, you can understand that most likely this happens at the intersection of some choices in the dialogue or its consequences. Thus we can come to the conclusion that these are not repetitive dialogues, as you describe, as if the characters have something wrong with their brains. It's just a small inconsistency in logic and a hole in narrative, that you can get into from different initial dialogues. (if anyone can confirm the presence of this dialog in the game after all). In some cases that can sound weird. Anyway, this can be corrected just by adding "Yes, they are my....". In this case, this dialogue begins to sound absolutely normal to me.
Even if this time your criticism is still far away from reality, that was a good try. Not good enough, but still. Progress is noticeable. But just to make the feedback even better, you need to point not only to the bug itself, but also to the specific place where it occurs, so that the developer can find it and fix it.
Hey, Relond. That dialog -does- exist within the game. He's playing the Patreon build (most likely a leaked one, as he's already made it clear he probably wouldn't support VIA Patreon). The chosen point isn't so much repeated dialog but just a repeated word that's easily remedied. I know I have a habit of repeating words like that, and I might not notice until I'm reading things over at a late date, bahaha.
Also, you should try and dial back your behavior. I can appreciate that you're passionate about all of this, but it's starting to come off as childish in some instances and only feeds into one of his earlier comments about the fans (another odd comment, since you don't usually see that here either, but that's whatever).
I appreciate you enjoying the project and such, but it's probably best just to let this conversation go. It's not really helping anything at this point, and people are better off screaming into the void. I'll take things I've found useful and think about it, but there's no reason to keep this going anymore.
Want to say my few words (dude, no one give a fuck). I won't talk about Chester's epilogue, since I don't have access to it and haven't played it.
1) Repetitive dialogues. I do not deny that this can happen from time to time. But the number of such moments, according to my memory, is negligible. Maybe I didn't pay attention to it, but it was the recurring thoughts that I didn't meet. Only unless there is an agreement with some character about something, and when it comes to this event, he asks you about your choice. However, I agree with the following: I don't speak English, and in my language it is painful to read the same word in each of three lines in a row. Even if it's the core subject of the dialogue. In my case, this problem can be fixed by various synonyms in translation. I do not know how this thing feels for english-speaking users.
2) I will not discuss "bisexual/straight situations". What are you talking about? Some of your topics I don't remember or I missed. But it has no point to me. Is rape of a gay man a straight man's situation? If someone is bi, his partner can't watch bi porn with him? I don't know what you are implying.
3) Threesomes. Many will disagree with me, but that the current structure of the game seems good for me. The routes of the main game are focused on a certain character and all events happening only around him. I think it's good that a threesome (mostly after confirmation of player's interest) is only teased in the main story and never appears (yet). (although I will give respect to how well it was teased. When you play the game for the first time, you hope everyday will be the day when it will happen. the way it bothers you proves once again how well the author does his job). I believe that such content can be introduced as special episodes (and that's probably how it will be). The final of the routes and the choices during it give room for imagination. Especially for polyamory. If you need to see this in the game with your own eyes, then I'm very sorry for you. Use your imagination
4) Indulgence of fetishes. I can't say with 100% certainty, but I've been digging through the game's code and I think I can also confirm that indulging your companion's fetishes is not necessary for a good ending. It just changes some of the dialogue and adds some more scenes. My condolences to all those achiehunters who cannot restrain from watching unpleasant scenes for them, just to see all the sex scenes and make sure they complete the game by 100%. (I can mention the "Daniel situation" here. You also mentioned him, and I see that many people are also so concerned about it, that Dyne almost had to speak in person by Richard's mouth on one of the days. The game indulges your choices. If you don't want Daniel to step into your relationship with Richard, why are you encouraging them on it and then whining about it? Game gave you choices and you made it.)
5) Focus on fetish content. I disagree again. As I wrote above, it is optional. And here I can only applaud Dyne for such a variety of it. Everyone can find something of their taste. I can't even imagine what other fetishes exist and can be added. Unless only the harsh one, but if someone is complaining about the current ones, then it's hard to imagine what will happen if, for example, some kind of gore/vore content appears in the game. In addition, it is worth noting that this is not stuffed randomly into the game without a back thought. It matches the personality of the characters.
6) The introduction of characters. Here I will agree and disagree with the commentator at the same time. The game is in development. From our perspective we can see where and what can be added. But we have this idea only because the core of the route is crystal clear. We think about how we can take a step aside at one time or another. but for this, a straight path is needed, which arose thanks to the author's imagination from absolute nothing. After you saw 14000625 futures, it is logical that these questions arise. "Where is Chester's dad on his route?" It is what it is. Maybe sometime in the future it will appear after rework. Maybe not. He's not there now. Is it bad? No. Does his absence make the route incomplete? Hell no. Is this thing logical only for me?
7) And finally. I would like to ask, have you forgotten that this is still a WIP, right? It's just that you treat the game as a finished product. I understand you've been here recently, and you don't know how much the game has changed after all the time (hello to everyone who caught the game with CursedMarked arts). Even considering that I disagree with you in many ways, I am sure that your review was very useful for Dyne.
And now what confuses me about the game, but has not yet been mentioned somewhere above:
1) The game feels like a fairy tale. Yes, there is a pattern in the game that some kind of shocking event takes place in each and every route. But I initially know that everything will end well. There are no truly dark endings or events in the game.
2) The dialogues are not always consistent. In order to figure out the code of the game, I had to draw the connections like on detective boards.Such branching sometimes makes itself felt, but it is a solvable problem. It is only necessary for people to give feedback in which places and under what circumstances there are inconsistencies in the dialogues. (And all of it also turns the life of the creators of the fan translations of the game into a living hell)
3) A striking difference in the quality of writing of game days. The first days of classic characters, written 8 years ago, look a little pale compared to the quality of the new ones. You can see how the author is growing above himself and that's fine. But in the end, it will be good to recheck the old content when all routes are complete. And I think that's how Dyne is going to do it. routes - reworks- translations(?).
4) Sometimes the gaming experience is disrupted. For example, at this stage, many routes lack facial animations or they do not correspond to the situation. Or sometimes BGs are missing. Although this can be fixed, I do not think that this is a priority uno for Dyne. Polishing of the game will fix it eventually.
5) And also that Dyne does not read the mail.) Especially when there are written about bugs and include a ready-to-go solution for the problem that can simply ctrl+c ctrl+v into the build. (i know it is painful to go back and fix some not game breaking bugs right now, but still)
tldr. Let's be patient, give our feedback to Dyne, and let him do his work.
I wish people would provide examples for the repetitive dialogue which is such a common complaint that I apparently completely missed during all of my playthroughs... Of course the dialogue can be a little slow at times but it was never even close to being bad enough for me to consider putting it in any kind of review especially for a game thats intended to be very slice of life.
2 I can prove my point perfectly fine, but I do in fact have a life and haven't had the time to reread this thing for examples. I'll get to it when I get to it.
I don't blame you for anything. We will not get an explanation of your words. It was clear from the very beginning. Sorry mr. busy man (if it is appropriate to use to they/them). You only have time to create an account and write a long controversial review. Therefore, I am not asking for an answer from you, but from those who share your point of view. Are there any here?) It's just when someone says that 2+2=5, I want to know if I was blind to the truth all this time and didn't see the obvious reality.
I'm not defending the game or the author. I think I made this crystal clear in my message above. The game can be criticized at the current stage, but not for all what you described. The only valid argument that you have given and with which I agree is the difference in the quality of the narrative of the days written 8 years ago and the recent one. The rest has no point, subjective and does not correspond to the reality. Am I wrong?)
I definitely agree on the situation with Chester's epilogue.
Also I feel the hinted at threesomes in every route felt really awkwardly forced. Maybe I'm just too monogamous for my own good but I don't really enjoy Eric basically setting himself up to be in a cucking situation (specifically in Harold's route and Spencer's route.)
I appreciate that Dozer's route only has that pop up if you have Chester's perfect ending but even then, that kiss CG at the end with the three of them put Eric in a third wheel position and I didn't appreciate it personally.
All in all, I still love the game despite it's occasional flaws (and my personal annoyance over the way that dishwashers are talked about in most routes as if the other person had never heard of one in their life)
I love proving people they are wrong. You are wrong) First of all, about Chester. I haven't seen his epilogue yet, but as I understand, everyone has a pain in the ass because his father doesn't appear in the epilogue. Does this, in your opinion, spoil his entire route? I don't think so either.
Now for the threesomes. If you read the message above from Dyne, you will find out that it is not necessary for the best ending. The fact that you got such scenes is FULLY the result of your intentional choices. You mentioned Dozer's route. For example, although I went through the best ending of both routes for Chester and Dozer, until recently I did NOT EVEN SUSPECT that there were such scenes in the game (shower, threesome kiss etc). I emphasize that I not only didn't see it, I didn't even have HINTS of its presence in the narrative. It's the same for Harold. Your choice can only come down to the fact that other characters will admire your partner (in this case, I assume, you mean the whole situation about Richard). The situation with Spencer and Darius is different and a little more complicated, there are other initial data. You can see their interest in each other from the beginning. And in some other characters, if we talk about naughty Darius:) And YOUR choices affect how the story will go.
Long story short, what you write is not the games but your complete failure in choosing the most obvious options in dialogs. The game almost asks you head-on if you are interested in a threesome, you say "yes", and then you are complaining: "how so?! I wanted a monogamous story!". It is a bit weird, don't you think so?
First of all, I wasn't complaining about Chester's dad not appearing in his epilogue. It was towards the major focus on some random new dude instead of on Chester. I will admit that I could have made that more apparent.
>"Your complete failure on choosing the most obvious options"
I replayed the routes multiple times to avoid any sort of polygamous thing so don't come at me as if you knew what I did. Never once did I say that they were bad or wrong, just that they were awkwardly implemented. Not to mention that I never claimed that they were required for the perfect endings???
No offense dude but just because someone has complaints about something, it doesn't mean you need to talk down to them.
I'll be waiting for Chester's epilogue to come on itch. What you're describing actually can look strange. But I can't judge it yet.
As for the other points. Threesomes. Are you sure they're really implemented awkwardly? It would be awkward if Chester wasn't the third in Dozer's route. That would be awkward, wouldn't it? XD And if in Harold's route, the third one was not Richard, but for example Diana))) Did you get my point?)
And about good and bad ending, as we've already figured out, you don't have to indulge fetishes (how TS mentioned it) and do what you don't like. This applies to many aspects. It's great, isn't it? Everyone can take from the game only what they like. And here we come back to your comment. I personally haven't heard any specifics about what you think is awkward and what should be paid attention to. That's what I didn't get.
Or did I somehow misunderstand you and the whole point of your words is that you wanted threesomes, but you didn't like what the game offered you? Anyway, it's pretty subjective, don't you think so? Maybe you didn't like the implementation of these moments because of your personal qualities? Have you thought about it? How should it be to satisfy you? In that case, do you have any suggestions for Dyne, how could he have done it better? I personally did not see any problems in implementation of threesomes (except that there are none of it in the game. kind of. at least if compared to Taigher_28 artworks. that is threesomes!), and I would also be interested to hear another opinion and look at the situation from the outside.
And I'm sorry if my words look too aggressive and arrogant, that's not my goal (at least in discussion with you)
There are deeefinitely a variety of things I can write better and go back to rework and give the players more choices on how they interact with characters. I'd rather them not be put in situations they don't like, especially if it's not exactly relevant.
Your comment about dishwashers though... What do you mean? I didn't actually have one for most of my life, so maybe that comes across in a weird way that I'm not aware of, hah
It's not something bad or anything like that, it just feels weird seeing someone like Maria have to explain how dishwashers work. I'd have to go back and find exactly what I mean but I absolutely recall it happening in Harold's route.
Sorry if that's a weird thing to be bugged by btw, it most likely stems from the fact that I've had a dishwasher in every house I've lived in.
Haha, no, you're fine! I'll have to look at too, cause even now, to me, that sounds odd! Harodl's route -was- the first one I did, and that was right around the time when I FINALLY lived somewhere that had one, bahaha
hello! im playing chesters route and i just thought i should let you know that "spaz" is a slur against autistic people in british english (when the player says he "didn't mean to make your tail spaz out")! great game otherwise!
I answered on Patreon too, but you don't have to wait for anything to arrive. You get access to the posts titled "Update ## with Gallery", and those posts contain the links to updates.
As I learn more and more about psychology and such. I've been dying to know. (Hopefully this formats correctly to hide the meat of the message)
Did Dyne intentionally write Chester as someone with lots of neurodivergent traits? I had been feeling a connection to him for years since I first read his in progress route, and I'm almost positive Chester would have some form of adult ADHD or such due to all that he displays (not a negative thing) that ostracize him from different groups
At first when i saw the cast i did NOT want to go through the darious route just because of how much a tease he is, but now since ive gone through almost everyone other route and seen how much darious has helped like hooking you and spence up, helping you with chester and the uhh size problem ect ect. hes acutally kinda nice and theres just more to his teasing side
after completing route spenc. I feel sad for some reason, I really like this game, I hope there will be another days for spencer :3. thx for this lovely game
I think the game might be broken in some way, Because i've been trying to download Is the last update for richard, Yet every time I install it the game keeps behaving as if no update has actually been installed as i'm now stuck on day eighteen even though there are two more days after that that I have not read yet
Are you sure you have downloaded and running the latest version? Did you launch the game from the right folder or use the right application? No one has faced this kind of issue. Then maybe you are having problems with your save file? Have you tried launch save from previous days and then quickly skip through the day after which the next one does not appear?
that's a problem with the itch game launcher, it happens with a few games when they update, but like you said you just have to delete the game and redownload it to fix it.
I have a problem downloading the update, the app is not updated, another app is created with a different name and in the previous version there is no notice that says do you want to update the app? So that is my problem that another app is created instead of being 1 there are only 2 and in 2 my games are not there, does anyone know how to update it and have my games shown in the most recent version?
eu adoro esse jogo hehe mas eu queria tanto uma versão desse jogo totalmente em português... eu jogo ele usando o google tradutor e e triste demais kkkk
Very pleasant and motivating method to learn a new language, isn't it?) It's not a billion dollar company, so the only way I see the implementation of translations is community help. If we don't do it, then who will, right?
i wonder on the 2nd day when fairy god mother maria shows up and shows every character if you can somehow imagine to have them all as an option because ive tried that but im always misisng 1 character
it would be funny if she calls you greedy or mentions harem something
something that would be even more funny if you did a route for every character (expect dwayne and richard) going through their love life and all
once you do a new route and you somehow are able to get them all as a option when talking to maria fairy god mother there will be a route where theres drama and try to win you over Ik this isnt the type of game to have that buuuuuut it would be nice to see everyone fighting over you
just reporting a mac glitch. the day 7 scene with richard was looping for me, then after restarting i got to the grope in the same scene but it froze again. Mac M3
Hey I don't know if you had the same issue as me but in that scene you need to tap where you want Richard to touch (I'm an idiot it took me 4 months to figure out ahah). It's 2 months later and maybe it was just a bug but I hope it still helps
if i were to go on the chester or dozer route does chester or dozer find somene else to love because i dont want to start a route with one and the other one being sad and lonely since everyone always find someone to love if you choose the 1 in the couple but idk if its the same for chester and dozer
weirdest glitch I was in the locker room pressing around pressed this raccoon fella I don't remember seeing then it started a new save file and when I went back to main menu I had every gallery thing unlocked even for characters I didn't do yet I dunno if it was intentional or not but just wanted to say somethin
Dozer route question + spoiler I need some help please :)
Can anyone tell me the word prompt I need to get to watch chester in the shower during the dozer route. Also few other scenes where your on the couch together and there is some minor three-way stuff.
I'm doing a full replay after I learned i missed many cgs in multiple routes.
You have the same question as the person in a couple messages below. You have faced the desire to unlock some special scenes and you followed a reasonable but wrong path to achieve it. Yes, choices through the route are very important, but sometimes that's not enough. Most of the scenes you are looking for can misrepresent the first impression of the side characters of this route. To discover such content, you need to be familiar with this character. It's quite logical, isn't it? In your case, it is Chester. Maybe it's worth going through his route first, get closer with him, and then return to Dozer's route? What if it changes something?
(btw, despite the fact that I went through each route several times to see different endings and now digging into the game code, I didn't even assume that there were such scenes before you mentioned about them)
long story short finish chesters route first then do dozers, the poly stuff gets brought up once close to middle to the end of the route and then the last 3 ish days.
The poly stuff was fun but not fleshed out how I had thought it might be. I enjoyed the normal route more.
Hi! Is there a way to transfer save files between versions? The last time I played was a couple of months ago and I remember just upgrading the app and not loosing progress, but now instead of upgrading, it installed a whole new app and I lost all my progress... I have several routes going on at once and I really don't want to click through all the dialogue choices again... Any advice?
In some cases, you need to complete another route before you can unlock certain scenes in another one. For example, in your case, the Spencer route. (Sometimes, these variables get messed up between updates to the game. You can notice that by missing stuff on the table in the extras. If you got it early by yourself in the previous versions, my advice is to try to replay the last day of a specific character route.)
During the dream in the morning I think it was a dream right? I think you have to say yes to all the different prompts where Richard asks of you're okay with him flirting/kissing/touching friends and you also flirting with friends etc throughout the days.
I got it on a fresh install today while I wait for the next public release for Richard and that was the only route I've played on this install.
[I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SPOLIERS SO SKIP THIS IF YOU AREN'T UP TO DATE IN THE RICHARD ROUTE]
Daniel is acting real sus in the Richard route and is hinting at a possible conflict. I hope there is an option where we can help him out, either setting some bounders, communication, subtle hints, or something. I just wish it wouldn't only be a lead up to an antagonist, but maybe also a chance for change and improvement, showing growth on Richard's part, especially with how his last relationship ended.
ALSO I LOVE DWAYNE AND I HOPE FOR MORE CONTENT WITH OUR LITTLE HORNY MAN.
Of course, praying for you and your husbands health.
Wasn't expecting Patreon exclusive content but I suppose it makes sense. I believe you plan on proper selling the game after you consider it finished, would this content be in it, or would it stay exclusive to those that have been able to support you?
Either way, love the game, wish I could support it but really not in a life situation where that possibility is available. Hope one day I can cause this is genuinely the one game I most wish I could help out on Patreon.
All the content will be in the final release! I really don't like doing Patreon-exclusive content, but with a constant decline in support over the last year, I figured I needed to try something. If it doesn't prove to be effective though... we'll see how future public releases entail!
That's fair, overall some Patreon exclusive stuff is a general practice to help drive up support. Hope you keep getting the support you need, both there and in your life in general. I'll also hope I can get into a better situation where I can help out myself, as I truly do love this game.
Can't wait to see what the future brings to the game and hope everything goes well for yah.
I have played early releases and loved them, but unfortunately I am now fully on iOS and cannot play new releases. Would love to see a browser version of this!
I feel like EcA could do with some minigames here and there, like maybe some tennis themed pong-like minigames, and maybe lil' somethins' for when MC goes to sleep, and maybe a tetris-like one for working with Dwaynes boxes. Perhaps a minigame where you type the words for when MC is doing homework?
Quite an interesting thought. It has the right to exist, but personally I fundamentally disagree with it. Now I'll try to explain why.
Firstly, there are already some mini-games in the game. Can't remember exactly where you met them, but there are definitely some QTEs in the game (it seems to be somewhere related to cooking and tennis matches). Although I love QTE, imho they look strange in this game, since the player is not ready for them. Secondly, the implementation of minigames. To make them on the engine for visual novels, you need to spend considerable effort writing code. Besides that, you need a painter to draw it all. Is it reasonable when, for example, not all routes still have backgrounds? Maybe it's better to spend money and time in order to draw more scenes for some special events? Am I wrong? And thirdly, the game design. It's a visual novel after all. Yes, you can say that you are "playing" it. But it would be more accurate to say that you are "reading" it. This is not some kind of arcade game. It is just text with pictures to improve the perception of the story. It's like a comic, only with choices in storytelling. The addition of mini-games such as tetris does not fit the genre of the game.
I will continue the last point with a fairly clear example. I am currently digging into the 14th day of the Coach's route. With no spoilers, you can play various games there such as: basketball, throwing the ball at pins, ring toss, etc. Whoever played will understand what I am talking about. It is the most suitable place for minigames, right? But I like the way it's done right now more. What at first glance does not have a story branch actually does have. It is based on the choices in the past days, which are not obvious, but in fact, very logical. There are also more understandable types of mini-games. For example, tennis matches. You have the description of the situation and have choices to make. And they determine the progression and result of this "minigame". That's what I call a good game design.
TLDR In my opinion, this game can be even better (and it will be for sure). A lot of things can be added, but mini-games are not exactly what it needs. At least in the main story.
P.S. While I was writing this text, I came up with the idea of how it might look like in my opinion. A separate tab in the menu, with mini-games such as blackjack, chess, 3-in-a-row, etc. against specific characters. Or even more complex minigames with unique designs(from QTE to point-and-click) to fit characters personality(such as: dansing, painting, cooking, fixing etc) And for motivation, if you win, the opponent takes off some of his clothes. Hee-hee-hee. Of course, after completing the main story. We don't want to ruin the first impression of seeing them naked, right?
After reading your reply, I must say I have to agree with you. Minigames would seem out of place, like playing a game while reading a book. It didn't even occur to me that one would have to make an entire engine for them too, so that would indeed make it harder. Also, I like the idea of "strip-minigames" for each character, teehee~
i made an account just for this but i did every route but dozer and spencer and i finished spencers 2 days ago and i keep crying about how sweet the ending and epouloge is and the fact they where best friends for so longg and always loved echother really made me sob cause its so damn sweet spencer is such a good boy with his colar and i normally dont cry about vn or sad stuff or just cry in general but you wrote spencer so good and after i finished the route a saw a video about them just laying down and it made it so much worse its just such a sweet and heart warming route i cant help but sob so hard
my god if I dont feel the same way. ive come here just to comment how Spence's route was responsible for my current obssesion with Tango and I do not regret anything!! and also yeah that epilogue fucking broke me
and after i finished the route a saw a video about them just laying down
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Wow I forgot this game existed ahh kudos
My new obsession: Russ in tighty whities
oh yeah, that made my day too
Just a heads up, the Spencer-Azaghal Extra keeps crashing every time I press it, I never encountered this before, so maybe it's a bug of some sort (Android btw)
That button is supposed to be disabled in public builds, oops. That's bonus content that's only on Patreon builds.
I think the negative comments this game is getting are way over the top. The evolution of the the new routes are great and no one is forced to play every route in the game, as someone bothered to make a list of negatives about the game i'll make a list of positives so the dev can see that there are also people who are enjoying the new content:
- There are plenty of vanilla games in this gender, where all routes are vanilla, there's also a lot of vanilla routes in this game itself, so you shouldn't judge the game just because you're not pleased with one or two routes
- Is IS a NSFW game, so where is the problem in including fetishes in it? It makes the story more appealing for a lot of people, I guarantee that!
- I feel like a lot of negative comments I read here and in f95zone come from a very specific type of people that are very famous from their hateful comments in these forum: NTR hatters. And for that kind of people the dev shouldn't bother at all, cause they'll scream, judge and hate everything that can be considered NTR. It's really hard, almost impossible to find gay games with at least a scene of NTR in the gay niche, so I think that's really nice that this dev it's giving us a soft version of it, cause a lot of gay people like NTR and have to resort to straght ganes to find that
- The dev already said that there will be threesomes in the post game in most routes, and i guess he made it to make the full routes completly for the couple, i don't get why people complain that there's no threesome, but when the new routes show possible ways for that to happen they also complain, what do you want after all? I would like threesomes as soon as possible, but i also understand why the dev didn't want to put them in most routos, after all you're dating for like 30 days, and normally you experiment with your boyfriend much after then that in real life
- The dev puts a lot of work and shares it for free with everyone, i see people saying that they played every route and are waiting to see how the dev will mess up the next one. Well, you really like the game if you played EVERY route, after all this game is massive, every route takes a lot of time to finish, you played it all, enjoyed some or most parts and in the end you can only come with negative comments about it? Well, sorry but you're a hater.
This game is amazing and i hope it gets kinkier and kinkier, and for the ones who don't like that just play the most vanilla routes, there's something for everyone tastes, this game is for all. Enjoy it and if you want, give positive feedback, don't throw hateful comments out there just because you're anonymous, that's not nice guys!
Kisses, cuddles and love for everyone!
That's what I am talking about! But in fact, there is only one negative comment here, from a dude with a newly created account and completely ridiculous, fictitious and untrue arguments, for what he was roasted. So it's not worth paying attention to him(them), even considering that he(they) generate fake upvotes under his post.
I don't know about English, but in my language, "criticism" has two meanings. One is well-reasoned criticism, which is based on facts, and the second one is not, just to hate and throw shit on the fan. So you need to pay attention to the first one, because both the problem and the method of solving it will be indicated there. And the second one needed to be ignored.
When I write my arguments, unlike that dude, I can confirm them and make sure that everyone agrees with it. Let's look at examples of what good criticism could be:
• I wrote that there is a lack of face animations or they do not correspond to the moment. You do not need to go far for example. Once you started the game, there is a scene with Coach getting into a bickering with Chester on the court. Should they have such faces? I don't think so)
• The disruption of the game experience does not come only to faces. It's worth skipping a couple of dialogues further and we have a game of tennis. The text describes the sound. And why is there no related sound, although it is present in the game files? It also can be tweaked.
• Then I wrote about logical errors. SPOILER ALERT. In the coach's route, on the second date on the 14th day, he asks to be called by his first name. But if you made the bad choices, this date only happens on day 20. Between day 15 and 19, MC begins to call the coach by his first name, although this event has not yet happened in the second case. This can also easily be fixed.
THE END OF THE SPOILER.
• As long as I can remember, when you start a new game and choose the appearance of the MC, you need to mouse over the "default" and "accept" letters themselves to click on them (yes, this is a test, i know, and everything will be redone, but still). The solution I found is just to add a background for them and the problem disappears.
• Somewhere before, I had a post also from the coach's route, where the text describes some actions that could be supported by animations on the screen.
That's what is a good criticism. When people can read and think, they can give useful feedback that will help improve the game or change what seems awkward.
P.S. Dyne, you don't need to rush and fix this, it can wait. Do what you are doing and don't listen to anyone. I just gave it all as an example of my point. I mark to myself everything and if I manage to collect all these moments for the entire route, I will write you and attach a working solution where it is possible
Yeah, i totally agree with you, positive feedback and criticism are welcome and needed in internet and in real life, and about the negative comments, yes, there's only one here, but there were a lot of guys in f95zone agreeing with them and talking shit, but they were really just talking shit, so the dev shouldn't bother about it at all. I even thought about answering them in the forum i my goal was to praise the dev, not fight with haters, so i decided to post my opinion here instead.
I also like to give constructive criticism to my favorite authors, but i usually do that in private messages, this was the first time i felt the need to do it in public.
For last i would like to give an idea to Dyne if he ever read this, about a new game, what about a game were you can play multiple routes at the same time? That's pretty common in straight games, and they even have the "harem" category for that, but never in gay games... i would really love to play a game where i could be a bottom with multiple partners and read a meaningful story at the same time, there are some games like that but they are sandboxes and the stories are kinda all over the place, so since you're one of the most relevant authors in the gay community would you think about that for an idea? maybe? pretty please?
Can anyone tell me where is Spencer and Coach epilogue,is this a bug or something?? And how to access Chester and Dozer epilogue? Is this still locked? 🙏😭
You caught a bug. I don't know what caused it, but at the moment there are only 2 epilogues in the game for Harold and Spencer, and a new 3rd epilogue for Chester recently has been released. It is currently available only on patron, but should appear in the itch.io version a little later. Also, the version for patreon supporters, has an exclusive bonus episode for Spencer related to Azaghal. All epilogues and episodes become available only after completion of the character's route with the best ending.
Thankyou smch🙏😭
So I just started the Darius route I was wondering if there was a background image for the private room or is this like the office in Chester's route and it's not finished and instead of a rough sketch of it, the private room background is not in the game yet?
As long as I can remember, this BG has not been in the game. This is an error, but not a bug. It just really isn't there. It's okay)
Thank you just wanna check before i do anything drastic and uninstalling and reinstalling the game.
A few criticisms for anyone considering picking up this game, but especially for Dyne:
(Spoilers, obviously.)
- Extremely repetitive dialogue. I can't count the number of times a conversation was pretty much just the same few sentences slightly reworded a dozen times, and I'm not sure if it's just poor writing or purposeful to bloat the word count
- Constantly teasing threesomes in nearly every route and never once following through, the only actual threesome shown is a bisexual threesome (in a gay game, though the woman is offscreen)
- Constantly putting gay men in bisexual/straight situations (Initial dream sequence, Spencer's career, Chester's rape, Dozer's whole exhibitionism thing technically, Darius wanting to see Maria nude?????, the MC watching softcore bi porn with Richard, and so on, and so forth)
- Forcing players to indulge every possible fetish/kink to get a good ending
- Inconsistent characterization
- We literally did not get to see our future father-in-law in his OWN SON'S ROUTE (Chester) and instead were only introduced in an entirely unrelated character's route
- Introducing a random man in an epilogue and focusing 90% of it on him instead of the actual character the epilogue is meant to be for, for some reason. The character could've been interesting enough... had he not been shoehorned in at the literal last possible moment
- To be clear, nothing wrong with polyamory and threesomes etc. The issue here is how abysmally it's handled. I'd love to see a VN with proper, well-written polyamory, but this ain't it.
- Officially seemingly throwing away any semblance of a decent plot to focus on the fetish content, especially in the latest routes. Whatever my personal feelings are about the character, Richard's route is a particularly egregious example. As someone else said, "It's like watching an addict relapse. It's as if he somehow forgot the entire reason behind his divorce, which is definitely out of character since he'd repeatedly shown remorse and sworn to do better with the MC before Daniel happened. I feel like two different people are writing this route; the first one who cares more for character establishing moments and character development wrote Day 1 - 15 while the second one who only cares about fetishes is writing the days beyond that."
- Again, nothing wrong with fetishes (even ones I'm not into, I guess), but seeing everything this project had thrown away to focus purely on that is just plain tragic. Could've worked better as side stories or something along those lines.
Overall, for a project going on this long, you'd think it would improve, but alas. There's still time, I guess, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
I know this comment will probably get deleted and me blocked, because I've heard Dyne doesn't take criticism well (and neither do avid fans of this project), but I felt it all needed to be said anyway. Mostly because it's infuriating seeing something that had genuine potential fall apart this badly.
Plus, I feel like the people actually paying for this over on Patreon should be getting their money's worth.
Ah, well.
You summarized it perfectly thank you very much.
Phew, that's a lot to take in there. I won't respond to each point, but there's some stuff in here that's accurate, I'm sure.
I haven't read some of the routes from start to finish in a long time, so keeping up with repeated dialog over the 200+ days can be a pain. Sometimes I play it off as the characters forgetting, but other times it's just me forgetting. I mean, I've been the only writer for over 8 years, so I'm bound to forget, hah.
Again, it's been a while since I've gone through everything, but I don't think you have to be involved in the fetish stuff to get the best endings. Some of the older choices -are- tied to it, but there should be enough leeway that you can decline it and still be fine (something for me to look into at some point!). With Richard and Dwayne, you can decline a lot of that and it has no negative impact. Dunno if you cared enough to try that though, but it's okay! There's a lot to read, so not everyone has time to try everything.You know, it's funny, cause Chester's dad didn't even have a design till long after Chester's route was done. I never really planned to introduce him (cause most of what I write isn't planned). It just kinda happened in a spot I thought worked. I also had my qualms about the epilogue for the exact reason you mentioned, buuuut at the same time, I still felt like it highlighted Chester and how their relationship has progressed. I honestly struggled with his epilogue though, so it might be something I revisit in the future.
Not everything you have gripes about is without warrant, but I think some of it's weird. Some things I might never think about since it's not pointed out. Either way, it's feedback to think about! Things can definitely be improved still~
True about the 'writing over a long time' part, but this is something that happens even within the same conversation.
Hm, which ones would you consider weird?
Well, the comment about putting gay men in straight/bisexual situations.
All of the things you listed play with the characters' story and their personalities. Spencer likes dancing/stripping, so the audience for him doesn't matter. He just gets more out of it when it's men praising/watching him. Chester's straight friends, who thought he was also straight, put him in a really bad situation. They didn't know he was gay and forced that on him. Dozer, I don't really get where you're going with his and how that plays into the straight/bi thing. Darius is just sex-positive and all for that kind of stuff. He can appreciate the male and female body. Ladies don't do it for him, but he's definitely gonna support the situation. I also don't really see the issue with watching soft-core porn, especially when it goes on to talk about the strange plot and attractive male lead. Like, why can't a gay man enjoy something like that in some way?
I am a 100% gay man here, and I, personally, don't see any problem with gay guys being in these kinds of situations. I just thought it was a weird thing to comment on. Reminded me a lot of this guy in the past that -really- hates seeing bisexual guys in the VN.
To be fair, those are all things you as the author decided to include.
I can't understand it, and it seems I'm not the only one?
(Regarding Dozer, I mentioned it because it's in extremely public places where they can be caught by anyone of any gender or age, which I personally find awful to do. I'm of the opinion that consent includes viewing sexual acts, not just being directly involved.)
Also, here's an example of repetitive dialogue someone sent me; I'll show more when I see them:
To me, personally, it just feels like a rather unnatural way to speak? It reminds me of the sort of dialogue you see in English textbooks, actually. (Here, at least. Our country doesn't .)
There's quite a few instances of this sort of thing.
"I am a 100% gay man here, and I, personally, don't see any problem with gay guys being in these kinds of situations." Neither do I.
@Consequencey, don't you notice how ridiculous your arguments sound? Do you need to be a bi to admit the beauty of a woman's body? Or if you're gay, you can't even look at a photo/video with a very hot pornactor in your opinion if he is there with a woman? Can you answer these questions? Is that "yes" for you? The argument about Dozer is totally ridiculous. Like if two men kiss in front of a woman, that makes them bi. Don't you understand how stupid that sounds?
And now about the repetitive dialogues. Thank god you are finally agreed with me (in a strange way, but agreed). At first, in this comment, I wanted to point out that this can happen. It was in point 2 of my questions to the game (if you even could read). However, to my great surprise, I could not find this dialog! I used notepad++ and could not find these lines, even searching for them by individual words. But let's come forward and imagine that it is really present in the game. Even if you are unfamiliar with the code of the game, you can understand that most likely this happens at the intersection of some choices in the dialogue or its consequences. Thus we can come to the conclusion that these are not repetitive dialogues, as you describe, as if the characters have something wrong with their brains. It's just a small inconsistency in logic and a hole in narrative, that you can get into from different initial dialogues. (if anyone can confirm the presence of this dialog in the game after all). In some cases that can sound weird. Anyway, this can be corrected just by adding "Yes, they are my....". In this case, this dialogue begins to sound absolutely normal to me.
Even if this time your criticism is still far away from reality, that was a good try. Not good enough, but still. Progress is noticeable. But just to make the feedback even better, you need to point not only to the bug itself, but also to the specific place where it occurs, so that the developer can find it and fix it.
Hey, Relond. That dialog -does- exist within the game. He's playing the Patreon build (most likely a leaked one, as he's already made it clear he probably wouldn't support VIA Patreon). The chosen point isn't so much repeated dialog but just a repeated word that's easily remedied. I know I have a habit of repeating words like that, and I might not notice until I'm reading things over at a late date, bahaha.
Also, you should try and dial back your behavior. I can appreciate that you're passionate about all of this, but it's starting to come off as childish in some instances and only feeds into one of his earlier comments about the fans (another odd comment, since you don't usually see that here either, but that's whatever).
I appreciate you enjoying the project and such, but it's probably best just to let this conversation go. It's not really helping anything at this point, and people are better off screaming into the void. I'll take things I've found useful and think about it, but there's no reason to keep this going anymore.
Want to say my few words (dude, no one give a fuck). I won't talk about Chester's epilogue, since I don't have access to it and haven't played it.
1) Repetitive dialogues. I do not deny that this can happen from time to time. But the number of such moments, according to my memory, is negligible. Maybe I didn't pay attention to it, but it was the recurring thoughts that I didn't meet. Only unless there is an agreement with some character about something, and when it comes to this event, he asks you about your choice. However, I agree with the following: I don't speak English, and in my language it is painful to read the same word in each of three lines in a row. Even if it's the core subject of the dialogue. In my case, this problem can be fixed by various synonyms in translation. I do not know how this thing feels for english-speaking users.
2) I will not discuss "bisexual/straight situations". What are you talking about? Some of your topics I don't remember or I missed. But it has no point to me. Is rape of a gay man a straight man's situation? If someone is bi, his partner can't watch bi porn with him? I don't know what you are implying.
3) Threesomes. Many will disagree with me, but that the current structure of the game seems good for me. The routes of the main game are focused on a certain character and all events happening only around him. I think it's good that a threesome (mostly after confirmation of player's interest) is only teased in the main story and never appears (yet). (although I will give respect to how well it was teased. When you play the game for the first time, you hope everyday will be the day when it will happen. the way it bothers you proves once again how well the author does his job). I believe that such content can be introduced as special episodes (and that's probably how it will be). The final of the routes and the choices during it give room for imagination. Especially for polyamory. If you need to see this in the game with your own eyes, then I'm very sorry for you. Use your imagination
4) Indulgence of fetishes. I can't say with 100% certainty, but I've been digging through the game's code and I think I can also confirm that indulging your companion's fetishes is not necessary for a good ending. It just changes some of the dialogue and adds some more scenes. My condolences to all those achiehunters who cannot restrain from watching unpleasant scenes for them, just to see all the sex scenes and make sure they complete the game by 100%. (I can mention the "Daniel situation" here. You also mentioned him, and I see that many people are also so concerned about it, that Dyne almost had to speak in person by Richard's mouth on one of the days. The game indulges your choices. If you don't want Daniel to step into your relationship with Richard, why are you encouraging them on it and then whining about it? Game gave you choices and you made it.)
5) Focus on fetish content. I disagree again. As I wrote above, it is optional. And here I can only applaud Dyne for such a variety of it. Everyone can find something of their taste. I can't even imagine what other fetishes exist and can be added. Unless only the harsh one, but if someone is complaining about the current ones, then it's hard to imagine what will happen if, for example, some kind of gore/vore content appears in the game. In addition, it is worth noting that this is not stuffed randomly into the game without a back thought. It matches the personality of the characters.
6) The introduction of characters. Here I will agree and disagree with the commentator at the same time. The game is in development. From our perspective we can see where and what can be added. But we have this idea only because the core of the route is crystal clear. We think about how we can take a step aside at one time or another. but for this, a straight path is needed, which arose thanks to the author's imagination from absolute nothing. After you saw 14000625 futures, it is logical that these questions arise. "Where is Chester's dad on his route?" It is what it is. Maybe sometime in the future it will appear after rework. Maybe not. He's not there now. Is it bad? No. Does his absence make the route incomplete? Hell no. Is this thing logical only for me?
7) And finally. I would like to ask, have you forgotten that this is still a WIP, right? It's just that you treat the game as a finished product. I understand you've been here recently, and you don't know how much the game has changed after all the time (hello to everyone who caught the game with CursedMarked arts). Even considering that I disagree with you in many ways, I am sure that your review was very useful for Dyne.
And now what confuses me about the game, but has not yet been mentioned somewhere above:
1) The game feels like a fairy tale. Yes, there is a pattern in the game that some kind of shocking event takes place in each and every route. But I initially know that everything will end well. There are no truly dark endings or events in the game.
2) The dialogues are not always consistent. In order to figure out the code of the game, I had to draw the connections like on detective boards.
Such branching sometimes makes itself felt, but it is a solvable problem. It is only necessary for people to give feedback in which places and under what circumstances there are inconsistencies in the dialogues. (And all of it also turns the life of the creators of the fan translations of the game into a living hell)
3) A striking difference in the quality of writing of game days. The first days of classic characters, written 8 years ago, look a little pale compared to the quality of the new ones. You can see how the author is growing above himself and that's fine. But in the end, it will be good to recheck the old content when all routes are complete. And I think that's how Dyne is going to do it. routes - reworks- translations(?).
4) Sometimes the gaming experience is disrupted. For example, at this stage, many routes lack facial animations or they do not correspond to the situation. Or sometimes BGs are missing. Although this can be fixed, I do not think that this is a priority uno for Dyne. Polishing of the game will fix it eventually.
5) And also that Dyne does not read the mail.) Especially when there are written about bugs and include a ready-to-go solution for the problem that can simply ctrl+c ctrl+v into the build. (i know it is painful to go back and fix some not game breaking bugs right now, but still)
tldr. Let's be patient, give our feedback to Dyne, and let him do his work.
I wish people would provide examples for the repetitive dialogue which is such a common complaint that I apparently completely missed during all of my playthroughs... Of course the dialogue can be a little slow at times but it was never even close to being bad enough for me to consider putting it in any kind of review especially for a game thats intended to be very slice of life.
I'll try and do so when I get around to opening the game again
Aaaaand... He's gone((( Since he can't prove his point, maybe someone who upvoted him can? Or is it just trash talking?
1 *they
2 I can prove my point perfectly fine, but I do in fact have a life and haven't had the time to reread this thing for examples. I'll get to it when I get to it.
I don't blame you for anything. We will not get an explanation of your words. It was clear from the very beginning. Sorry mr. busy man (if it is appropriate to use to they/them). You only have time to create an account and write a long controversial review. Therefore, I am not asking for an answer from you, but from those who share your point of view. Are there any here?) It's just when someone says that 2+2=5, I want to know if I was blind to the truth all this time and didn't see the obvious reality.
I'm not defending the game or the author. I think I made this crystal clear in my message above. The game can be criticized at the current stage, but not for all what you described. The only valid argument that you have given and with which I agree is the difference in the quality of the narrative of the days written 8 years ago and the recent one. The rest has no point, subjective and does not correspond to the reality. Am I wrong?)
I definitely agree on the situation with Chester's epilogue.
Also I feel the hinted at threesomes in every route felt really awkwardly forced. Maybe I'm just too monogamous for my own good but I don't really enjoy Eric basically setting himself up to be in a cucking situation (specifically in Harold's route and Spencer's route.)
I appreciate that Dozer's route only has that pop up if you have Chester's perfect ending but even then, that kiss CG at the end with the three of them put Eric in a third wheel position and I didn't appreciate it personally.
All in all, I still love the game despite it's occasional flaws (and my personal annoyance over the way that dishwashers are talked about in most routes as if the other person had never heard of one in their life)
I love proving people they are wrong. You are wrong) First of all, about Chester. I haven't seen his epilogue yet, but as I understand, everyone has a pain in the ass because his father doesn't appear in the epilogue. Does this, in your opinion, spoil his entire route? I don't think so either.
Now for the threesomes. If you read the message above from Dyne, you will find out that it is not necessary for the best ending. The fact that you got such scenes is FULLY the result of your intentional choices. You mentioned Dozer's route. For example, although I went through the best ending of both routes for Chester and Dozer, until recently I did NOT EVEN SUSPECT that there were such scenes in the game (shower, threesome kiss etc). I emphasize that I not only didn't see it, I didn't even have HINTS of its presence in the narrative.
It's the same for Harold. Your choice can only come down to the fact that other characters will admire your partner (in this case, I assume, you mean the whole situation about Richard).
The situation with Spencer and Darius is different and a little more complicated, there are other initial data. You can see their interest in each other from the beginning. And in some other characters, if we talk about naughty Darius:) And YOUR choices affect how the story will go.
Long story short, what you write is not the games but your complete failure in choosing the most obvious options in dialogs. The game almost asks you head-on if you are interested in a threesome, you say "yes", and then you are complaining: "how so?! I wanted a monogamous story!". It is a bit weird, don't you think so?
First of all, I wasn't complaining about Chester's dad not appearing in his epilogue. It was towards the major focus on some random new dude instead of on Chester. I will admit that I could have made that more apparent.
>"Your complete failure on choosing the most obvious options"
I replayed the routes multiple times to avoid any sort of polygamous thing so don't come at me as if you knew what I did. Never once did I say that they were bad or wrong, just that they were awkwardly implemented. Not to mention that I never claimed that they were required for the perfect endings???
No offense dude but just because someone has complaints about something, it doesn't mean you need to talk down to them.
I'll be waiting for Chester's epilogue to come on itch. What you're describing actually can look strange. But I can't judge it yet.
As for the other points. Threesomes. Are you sure they're really implemented awkwardly? It would be awkward if Chester wasn't the third in Dozer's route. That would be awkward, wouldn't it? XD And if in Harold's route, the third one was not Richard, but for example Diana))) Did you get my point?)
And about good and bad ending, as we've already figured out, you don't have to indulge fetishes (how TS mentioned it) and do what you don't like. This applies to many aspects. It's great, isn't it? Everyone can take from the game only what they like. And here we come back to your comment. I personally haven't heard any specifics about what you think is awkward and what should be paid attention to. That's what I didn't get.
Or did I somehow misunderstand you and the whole point of your words is that you wanted threesomes, but you didn't like what the game offered you? Anyway, it's pretty subjective, don't you think so? Maybe you didn't like the implementation of these moments because of your personal qualities? Have you thought about it? How should it be to satisfy you? In that case, do you have any suggestions for Dyne, how could he have done it better? I personally did not see any problems in implementation of threesomes (except that there are none of it in the game. kind of. at least if compared to Taigher_28 artworks. that is threesomes!), and I would also be interested to hear another opinion and look at the situation from the outside.
And I'm sorry if my words look too aggressive and arrogant, that's not my goal (at least in discussion with you)
There are deeefinitely a variety of things I can write better and go back to rework and give the players more choices on how they interact with characters. I'd rather them not be put in situations they don't like, especially if it's not exactly relevant.
Your comment about dishwashers though... What do you mean? I didn't actually have one for most of my life, so maybe that comes across in a weird way that I'm not aware of, hah
It's not something bad or anything like that, it just feels weird seeing someone like Maria have to explain how dishwashers work. I'd have to go back and find exactly what I mean but I absolutely recall it happening in Harold's route.
Sorry if that's a weird thing to be bugged by btw, it most likely stems from the fact that I've had a dishwasher in every house I've lived in.
Haha, no, you're fine! I'll have to look at too, cause even now, to me, that sounds odd! Harodl's route -was- the first one I did, and that was right around the time when I FINALLY lived somewhere that had one, bahaha
hello! im playing chesters route and i just thought i should let you know that "spaz" is a slur against autistic people in british english (when the player says he "didn't mean to make your tail spaz out")! great game otherwise!
I've finished Spencer chester dozer and Dwayne on my laptop who's route should I replay again Harold Richard or darious
Is there a way to look at all the cgi's with out playing the game?
...no.
Hey I just purchased the $10 membership and I was wondering when the benefits will show up?
I answered on Patreon too, but you don't have to wait for anything to arrive. You get access to the posts titled "Update ## with Gallery", and those posts contain the links to updates.
As I learn more and more about psychology and such. I've been dying to know. (Hopefully this formats correctly to hide the meat of the message)
Did Dyne intentionally write Chester as someone with lots of neurodivergent traits? I had been feeling a connection to him for years since I first read his in progress route, and I'm almost positive Chester would have some form of adult ADHD or such due to all that he displays (not a negative thing) that ostracize him from different groups
At first when i saw the cast i did NOT want to go through the darious route just because of how much a tease he is, but now since ive gone through almost everyone other route and seen how much darious has helped like hooking you and spence up, helping you with chester and the uhh size problem ect ect. hes acutally kinda nice and theres just more to his teasing side
after completing route spenc. I feel sad for some reason, I really like this game, I hope there will be another days for spencer :3. thx for this lovely game
I think the game might be broken in some way, Because i've been trying to download Is the last update for richard, Yet every time I install it the game keeps behaving as if no update has actually been installed as i'm now stuck on day eighteen even though there are two more days after that that I have not read yet
Are you sure you have downloaded and running the latest version? Did you launch the game from the right folder or use the right application? No one has faced this kind of issue. Then maybe you are having problems with your save file? Have you tried launch save from previous days and then quickly skip through the day after which the next one does not appear?
I have indeed downloaded the latest version. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling just now and that seemed to have fixed it
that's a problem with the itch game launcher, it happens with a few games when they update, but like you said you just have to delete the game and redownload it to fix it.
Reminds me how my epilogue for Spencer completely vanished two updates ago. I played it to completion, yet when I try to replay it, it is gone.
will there be another new character for dating in upcoming update??if there is so i wish it would be an panda or a chubby human would also be cute .
There will be no more dateable characters after Dwayne
I'm assuming no update this month because Dyne has a friend over rn iirc
If you adding another character for dating than plz select that police officer
Ger is a cameo of CaptainGerBear. And as other cameo characters he will not be datable.
i dont think we will get another datable character - even if i would love that bodybuilder bull
I have a problem downloading the update, the app is not updated, another app is created with a different name and in the previous version there is no notice that says do you want to update the app? So that is my problem that another app is created instead of being 1 there are only 2 and in 2 my games are not there, does anyone know how to update it and have my games shown in the most recent version?
User Mistpnea has post about it a while ago.
eu adoro esse jogo hehe mas eu queria tanto uma versão desse jogo totalmente em português... eu jogo ele usando o google tradutor e e triste demais kkkk
Very pleasant and motivating method to learn a new language, isn't it?) It's not a billion dollar company, so the only way I see the implementation of translations is community help. If we don't do it, then who will, right?
looks hard for get everyone hehe
😭Daym im still hoping theres a route for azaghal
i wonder on the 2nd day when fairy god mother maria shows up and shows every character if you can somehow imagine to have them all as an option because ive tried that but im always misisng 1 character
it would be funny if she calls you greedy or mentions harem something
that would be amazing lol
something that would be even more funny if you did a route for every character (expect dwayne and richard) going through their love life and all
once you do a new route and you somehow are able to get them all as a option when talking to maria fairy god mother there will be a route where theres drama and try to win you over
Ik this isnt the type of game to have that buuuuuut it would be nice to see everyone fighting over you
i can agree with that
just reporting a mac glitch. the day 7 scene with richard was looping for me, then after restarting i got to the grope in the same scene but it froze again. Mac M3
Hey I don't know if you had the same issue as me but in that scene you need to tap where you want Richard to touch (I'm an idiot it took me 4 months to figure out ahah). It's 2 months later and maybe it was just a bug but I hope it still helps
I just finish all the endings now I dunno what to play, all the other vns I played aren't as good as this one, does anyone have any recommendations?
Peep the list on my profile hopefully it loads all of them.
It's hard for anything to top extracurricular activities when you really get into the dialogue and how many routes are finished. It's so fucking good.
if i were to go on the chester or dozer route does chester or dozer find somene else to love because i dont want to start a route with one and the other one being sad and lonely since everyone always find someone to love if you choose the 1 in the couple but idk if its the same for chester and dozer
Nobody ever ends up sad and lonely! There's always someone (even if I don't explicitly state it in routes!)
everyones happy thank god
:D
weirdest glitch I was in the locker room pressing around pressed this raccoon fella I don't remember seeing then it started a new save file and when I went back to main menu I had every gallery thing unlocked even for characters I didn't do yet I dunno if it was intentional or not but just wanted to say somethin
i restarted the game and it stayed the same which sucks cause I love replaying the game and finding new scenes and it feels unfair its all unlocked
Dozer route question + spoiler I need some help please :)
Can anyone tell me the word prompt I need to get to watch chester in the shower during the dozer route. Also few other scenes where your on the couch together and there is some minor three-way stuff.
I'm doing a full replay after I learned i missed many cgs in multiple routes.
You have the same question as the person in a couple messages below. You have faced the desire to unlock some special scenes and you followed a reasonable but wrong path to achieve it. Yes, choices through the route are very important, but sometimes that's not enough. Most of the scenes you are looking for can misrepresent the first impression of the side characters of this route. To discover such content, you need to be familiar with this character. It's quite logical, isn't it? In your case, it is Chester. Maybe it's worth going through his route first, get closer with him, and then return to Dozer's route? What if it changes something?
(btw, despite the fact that I went through each route several times to see different endings and now digging into the game code, I didn't even assume that there were such scenes before you mentioned about them
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long story short finish chesters route first then do dozers, the poly stuff gets brought up once close to middle to the end of the route and then the last 3 ish days.
The poly stuff was fun but not fleshed out how I had thought it might be. I enjoyed the normal route more.
Version 1.165 doesn't have Chinese subtitles, which is very frustrating. The previous version 1.142 had Chinese subtitles.
I've never had Chinese subtitles, so whatever you downloaded isn't something I'm aware of.
My guy is here downloading chinese spyware 💀
Hi! Is there a way to transfer save files between versions? The last time I played was a couple of months ago and I remember just upgrading the app and not loosing progress, but now instead of upgrading, it installed a whole new app and I lost all my progress... I have several routes going on at once and I really don't want to click through all the dialogue choices again... Any advice?
User Mistpnea has post about it a while ago.
Oh! Thank you very much!
So to say, not all choices for unlocking some scenes are inside the route of the one particular character ;)
In some cases, you need to complete another route before you can unlock certain scenes in another one. For example, in your case, the Spencer route.
(Sometimes, these variables get messed up between updates to the game. You can notice that by missing stuff on the table in the extras. If you got it early by yourself in the previous versions, my advice is to try to replay the last day of a specific character route.)
During the dream in the morning I think it was a dream right? I think you have to say yes to all the different prompts where Richard asks of you're okay with him flirting/kissing/touching friends and you also flirting with friends etc throughout the days.
I got it on a fresh install today while I wait for the next public release for Richard and that was the only route I've played on this install.
This game is amazing, every route is beautiful, every character is amazing. I cried playing both Harold and Spencer epilogues
spencers the only one who made me bail so i understand tht man
Shoot me a message on Patreon, and I'll let you know what's up!
how do we join the Patreon? i want to support
"If you like what you see, consider becoming a Patron to help support the project! You can do that HERE!"
[I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SPOLIERS SO SKIP THIS IF YOU AREN'T UP TO DATE IN THE RICHARD ROUTE]
Daniel is acting real sus in the Richard route and is hinting at a possible conflict. I hope there is an option where we can help him out, either setting some bounders, communication, subtle hints, or something. I just wish it wouldn't only be a lead up to an antagonist, but maybe also a chance for change and improvement, showing growth on Richard's part, especially with how his last relationship ended.
ALSO I LOVE DWAYNE AND I HOPE FOR MORE CONTENT WITH OUR LITTLE HORNY MAN.
Of course, praying for you and your husbands health.
Always glad to see Dwayne love, haha.
And we'll see how things go with Daniel! He is acting pretty sus though...
are you and your husband doing better now?!
Yes! Things are definitely better, and here's hoping things keep improving after he gets a big upcoming injection!
Wasn't expecting Patreon exclusive content but I suppose it makes sense. I believe you plan on proper selling the game after you consider it finished, would this content be in it, or would it stay exclusive to those that have been able to support you?
Either way, love the game, wish I could support it but really not in a life situation where that possibility is available. Hope one day I can cause this is genuinely the one game I most wish I could help out on Patreon.
All the content will be in the final release! I really don't like doing Patreon-exclusive content, but with a constant decline in support over the last year, I figured I needed to try something. If it doesn't prove to be effective though... we'll see how future public releases entail!
That's fair, overall some Patreon exclusive stuff is a general practice to help drive up support. Hope you keep getting the support you need, both there and in your life in general. I'll also hope I can get into a better situation where I can help out myself, as I truly do love this game.
Can't wait to see what the future brings to the game and hope everything goes well for yah.
I have played early releases and loved them, but unfortunately I am now fully on iOS and cannot play new releases. Would love to see a browser version of this!
I feel like EcA could do with some minigames here and there, like maybe some tennis themed pong-like minigames, and maybe lil' somethins' for when MC goes to sleep, and maybe a tetris-like one for working with Dwaynes boxes. Perhaps a minigame where you type the words for when MC is doing homework?
P.S. Dwayne is best boi and i love him so much <3
Quite an interesting thought. It has the right to exist, but personally I fundamentally disagree with it. Now I'll try to explain why.
Firstly, there are already some mini-games in the game. Can't remember exactly where you met them, but there are definitely some QTEs in the game (it seems to be somewhere related to cooking and tennis matches). Although I love QTE, imho they look strange in this game, since the player is not ready for them.
Secondly, the implementation of minigames. To make them on the engine for visual novels, you need to spend considerable effort writing code. Besides that, you need a painter to draw it all. Is it reasonable when, for example, not all routes still have backgrounds? Maybe it's better to spend money and time in order to draw more scenes for some special events? Am I wrong?
And thirdly, the game design. It's a visual novel after all. Yes, you can say that you are "playing" it. But it would be more accurate to say that you are "reading" it. This is not some kind of arcade game. It is just text with pictures to improve the perception of the story. It's like a comic, only with choices in storytelling. The addition of mini-games such as tetris does not fit the genre of the game.
I will continue the last point with a fairly clear example. I am currently digging into the 14th day of the Coach's route. With no spoilers, you can play various games there such as: basketball, throwing the ball at pins, ring toss, etc. Whoever played will understand what I am talking about. It is the most suitable place for minigames, right? But I like the way it's done right now more. What at first glance does not have a story branch actually does have. It is based on the choices in the past days, which are not obvious, but in fact, very logical. There are also more understandable types of mini-games. For example, tennis matches. You have the description of the situation and have choices to make. And they determine the progression and result of this "minigame". That's what I call a good game design.
TLDR In my opinion, this game can be even better (and it will be for sure). A lot of things can be added, but mini-games are not exactly what it needs. At least in the main story.
P.S. While I was writing this text, I came up with the idea of how it might look like in my opinion. A separate tab in the menu, with mini-games such as blackjack, chess, 3-in-a-row, etc. against specific characters. Or even more complex minigames with unique designs(from QTE to point-and-click) to fit characters personality(such as: dansing, painting, cooking, fixing etc) And for motivation, if you win, the opponent takes off some of his clothes. Hee-hee-hee. Of course, after completing the main story. We don't want to ruin the first impression of seeing them naked, right?
After reading your reply, I must say I have to agree with you. Minigames would seem out of place, like playing a game while reading a book. It didn't even occur to me that one would have to make an entire engine for them too, so that would indeed make it harder. Also, I like the idea of "strip-minigames" for each character, teehee~
i made an account just for this but i did every route but dozer and spencer and i finished spencers 2 days ago and i keep crying about how sweet the ending and epouloge is and the fact they where best friends for so longg and always loved echother really made me sob cause its so damn sweet spencer is such a good boy with his colar and i normally dont cry about vn or sad stuff or just cry in general but you wrote spencer so good and after i finished the route a saw a video about them just laying down and it made it so much worse its just such a sweet and heart warming route i cant help but sob so hard
one of my favorite routes for sure dude ah shish kabobs the water works started up again such a good story
my god if I dont feel the same way. ive come here just to comment how Spence's route was responsible for my current obssesion with Tango and I do not regret anything!! and also yeah that epilogue fucking broke me
care to share?? :3